DISCLAIMER: These posts contain hints, tips and ideas from folks that have had some experiences dealing with this. It is NOT meant to be medical advice here - just related experiences. Please consult with a reputable professional if necessary. To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: "schrr" Subject: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:32:29 -0700 Does anybody have a good remedies for proud flesh? Teri Ferguson Second Chance Horse Rescue Ranch www.washingtonhorserescue.org ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: Picabo02@aol.com Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:21:53 EDT I have found that Wonder Dust does wonders for proud flesh...good luck! Johanna RideAway Farm Lebanon, TN ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: "Mike Dodge" Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:03:28 -0400 Is the wound still open? If so, we have an excellent product that we use called Horse Medicine that we get from Oklahoma. Heals without having to clean the wound and dissolves proud flesh at the same time. I haven't tried it on a healed wound to remove proud flesh. ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: CircleJFarms@aol.com Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:14:53 EDT I had a mare that had badly cut her knee open before I bought her and they didn't have her stitched up. The proud fresh was aweful. My father in law told me an old remedy he used years ago with his horse when she busted her knees open after falling and it does work. He said to mix lysonal and water 50/50 and wash the wound two to three times daily as a minimum. Then put lime on the area where the proud flesh was immediately after washing. My mare healed without so much as a scar or any white hair. Michelle ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: jbrisch@gte.net Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:17:48 -0500 granulex! follow the directions! ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: CC40058@aol.com Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:18:59 EDT My vet suggested using Adolp's Meat Tenderizer, mixed with the antibiotic paste. Caroline ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: ETTA Horse Rescue Subject: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) Lime is the main component in Wonderdust if I remember correctly and after an old timer suggested it I have tried it with excellent success. It works for any wet goopy sore, proudflesh and is particularly useful for wounds with maggots. I just pack a handful or so on until no more will stick and then leave it alone except to add more lime after a couple days. It keeps the flies away very well too. I've had no scarring or white hair using this though on one mare the hair is sparce in the wound area. There are other variables involved in her case though so I can't say whether it's due to the treatment. For removing proudflesh that's already established our vet sells Proud Flesh Ointment (very original) made by Equicare I believe. It is a green product and it eats it away very quickly. I believe the active ingredient is copper sulfate but I can't check right now. It's very effective and at the same time is not difficult to use. I have gotten it down around my fingernails and had it there all day and never even noticed it, also didn't cause any noticeable problems when put on healthy flesh. Keri ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: Heather Haworth Subject: EQ-ResQ: proud flesh Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:17:06 -0700 what exactly IS proud flesh? I have heard of it many times, but never actually seen it that I know of. What does it look like? Sorry for being so stupid, ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: CC40058@aol.com Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 15:45:50 EDT In a message dated 04/18/2001 9:21:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ettahorse@yahoo.com writes: << Lime is the main component in Wonderdust if I remember correctly and after an old timer suggested it I have tried it with excellent success. >> So, here is an interesting deal. I have heard of old timers packing wounds with actual lime, and I think someone mentioned it here. Then you turn around, and some folks say not to use lime to sweeten stalls because if the horse gets it in a cut, they could get lime poisoning, which is similar to concrete poisoning. So I do a little asking around to find out if there is more than one kind of lime...no, folks say there are different consistencies of lime, but the basic product is all the same. Any input on this? Caroline ============================================================ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 18:25:32 -0600 (MDT) To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: Pat Calloway Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: proud flesh At 09:17 AM 4/18/01 -0700, Heather Haworth wrote: >what exactly IS proud flesh? I have heard of it many times, but never >actually seen it that I know of. What does it look like? Granulated scar tissue - you've seen it, I'm sure - just didn't know the term for it. It's lumpy and nasty looking. http://www.thehorse.com/0005/answerline.html I'm not having much luck finding good photos of it - most of the ones that came up in this Google search aren't too clear or don't show what it looks like untreated since most of these sites appear to be promoting various products. I'll warn you that there are some bizarre sites that have nothing to do with horses either, but I think they're obvious by the description. http://www.google.com/search?q=proud+flesh+photos&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&start=0 &sa=N (cut & paste the entire url above until your browser as it didn't go on one line) Maybe one of the general vet sites might have some good photos. Handy dandy site for horse health stuff - although not heavy on the photos: http://www.thehorse.com/index.html ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: TubaDeb@aol.com Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:36:12 EDT I've heard of Slack (sp?) Lime being used on hard to heal wounds, but don't know if that is the same as regular lime. My neighbor has used it with success, but I wouldn't try anything without consulting your vet first. Debbie ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: dlinkous@radix.net Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: proud flesh Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:55:29 -0400 >Granulated scar tissue - you've seen it, I'm sure - just didn't know the >term for it. It's lumpy and nasty looking. All the proud flesh I've seen is bright red and sometimes wet as well. So, when you put something on it to get rid of it, it's easy to avoid good flesh from the proud flesh, if that's necessary (and it was the only time I've dealt with it... whatever the vet gave me, she said to use it only on the proud flesh). Diana ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: BLRYSTROM@aol.com Subject: Re: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 00:57:17 EDT In a message dated 04/18/2001 6:56:56 PM Central Daylight Time, CC40058@aol.com writes: << So I do a little asking around to find out if there is more than one kind of lime...no, folks say there are different consistencies of lime, but the basic product is all the same. >> Caroline, I have no idea but can say that I cannot be around a limed stall without having horrible allergies and asthmatic attacks...and that my sister traced my recent spate of serious asthma to my recent use of Wonder Dust on Skamp's and Belle's nicks. Literally, every afternoon that I used the wonder dust, I would be sick as a dog with breathing problems that evening. Dawn ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: ETTA Horse Rescue Subject: EQ-ResQ: Packing with lime (was: Proud Flesh) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:27:09 -0700 (PDT) I use actual stall lime. 50 lbs for about $5. I've put it on cuts on myself to test for pain reactions, didn't hurt. I carefully watch the horses reactions, especially the first few times, and none have shown any pain or discomfort. We have one hypersensitive mare and she didn't mind it either, she stood rock solid while we packed her very large gash behind her ear with the lime. I don't know of possible toxic effects and would suggest that you research it fully before trying it on your horses but I have had very good experiences. Keri ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: "Kathy & David Mease" Subject: EQ-ResQ: lime (was: proud flesh) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:14:02 -0500 We use pickling lime to prevent proud flesh. It's the kind you can buy in the grocery store to make pickles. It works excellent. We hose the wound out everyday to get rid of the yucky dead flesh. Kathy ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: shirley mccans Subject: EQ-ResQ: lime (was: proud flesh) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:14:29 -0500 There ARE two kinds of lime that I know of for sure, as my husband is a truck driver and hauls both kinds. The regular, or commonly called ag lime, and hydrated lime, which will burn, and has been known to explode when added to water. Hydrated lime is ag lime that has been cooked. ============================================================ To: equinerescue@imagicomm.com From: Tsujidnic1@aol.com Subject: EQ-ResQ: Proud Flesh Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 18:09:42 EDT Lime is caustic which is why it works to eat away proud flesh. You do not want directly in a wound because you don't want it eating away good flesh and/or causing pain/infection. It is caustic enough that it can even be damaging to hooves. Also, the dust from lime tends to hang in the air and can make respiratory problems worse. There is a product called Barn Dri that you can use to freshen stalls without the dust. It's the consistency of sand. I have only seen it in the MD/DE/PA area, though. ============================================================ DISCLAIMER: These posts contain hints, tips and ideas from folks that have had some experiences dealing with this. It is NOT meant to be medical advice here - just related experiences. Please consult with a reputable professional if necessary.